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J.R.R. Tolkien’s works, particularly ‘The Lord of the Rings‘, are claimed to contain occult symbolism, with some arguing that he was involved with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
Paul List has a different view. He sees ‘The Lord of the Rings’ trilogy as a combat between the philosophy of scholasticism and the philosophies of Francis Bacon and René Descartes, and believes Tolkien’s mythology is a warning to humanity about AI and transhumanism.
In an interview about his book, List discusses how innovators and philosophers from the 17th to the 19th centuries founded the fundamental ideas on which the ideas of machines, such as AI, ruling over humans, and transhumanism are based.
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Lord of the Rings Connection to the Occult
Although we haven’t included it in our highlights of Paul List’s interview, if you watch the full interview, you will hear a discussion on J.R.R. Tolkien.
When it comes to discussing Tolkien’s works, it’s important to consider what is encoded in Tolkien’s message and decide whether it’s a message you want your children to hear.
Some have claimed Tolkien was involved with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and that his works, particularly ‘The Lord of the Rings’, contain occult symbolism, such as the “One Ring” representing the Illuminati‘s all-seeing eye or Gandalf symbolising Aleister Crowley. One of the most notable is John Todd, a former Illuminati member and self-identified witch.
Related: The Genesis 6 Conspiracy: Blavatsky, Bailey and Theosophy
In 1978, Todd discussed Tolkien’s works, particularly ‘The Lord of the Rings’ in a talk that is referred to as “Tape 2A” and titled ‘Dangers of fortune telling, familiar spirits, CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, etc’.
He said that Tolkien copied several of his novels from the Wiccan text ‘The Book of Shadows’ and that the runes in the book are part of a witches’ alphabet.
Unfortunately, the YouTube user who uploaded the video below in 2010 did not note from which talk the video had been clipped. In it, Todd said:
“Every book written by J.R.R. Tolkien … was not written by him. Until Tolkien wrote these, these things used in witchcraft (as you put it), was secret to witchcraft. Tolkien [a supposed confessed born-again Christian] was a member … of the Golden Dawn, that’s the Rothschilds’ private church in London, it’s the oldest coven in the world.
“And he gained permission, both from the council and the Rothschilds personally, to take things from ‘The Book of Shadows’, the witchcraft bible, and print them in books. You may think ‘The Hobbit’ and the books of the trilogy ‘The Lord of the Rings’ … and ‘The Silmarillion’ are fairytales, but they were adopted from witches. According to witches, those things really did take place.”
If the video above is removed from YouTube, you can watch it on Rumble HERE.
Related:
- John Todd on YouTube
- John Todd Former Illuminati Occult Member Gives Testimony of Involvement In Witchcraft, Internet Archive
- Over 40 Years Ago, John Todd Warned About An 8-Step Plan to Take Over the World
Another who has identified Tolkien as embedding occult beliefs in his work is Gary Wayne. In his book, ‘The Genesis 6 Conspiracy’, Wayne describes how the Serpent Lady in Sumerian literature, known as Ninkhursag (or “Mother Earth”), is denoted as the prevailing Grail or Dragon queen of the Ring Lords. The rings were the primary devices of the Anunnaki gods (or Nephilim). According to Sumerian mythology, the Grand Assembly of the Anunnaki held the ring(s) of kingship at Nippur to bind the Anunnaki kings in unity. “The infamous rings of kingship were the basis for Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ trilogy,” a synopsis of the book notes.
Further reading: Chapter 92: Adam and Cain and Chapter 91: The Antediluvian Dragon Court, The Genesis 6 Conspiracy, Gary Wayne
Before listening to Paul List’s interview, we also recommend reading the 2005 article ‘J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis: The Occult Overtones In Their Writings’, which concludes: “Former Illuminati mind controlled slaves have stated that Tolkien’s epos is used by them in mind control.* Some of the mind-controlled slaves seem to obsessively look for a ring. In fact, the following extract from ‘The Lord of the Rings’ is used to control Illuminati victims: ‘One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, And in the darkness bind them!’”
*Note: The source provided for this statement is “Fritz Springmeier.” Although the article does not say as much, we presume the author is referring to the 1996 book ‘The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave’ co-authored by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier.
Paul List, however, has a different view on Tolkien’s work. List co-authored the book ‘Mount Doom: The Prophecy of Tolkien Revealed, the synopsis of which states, “Tolkien’s mythology is his warning to humanity and his hope for the revival of Western civilisation. This complete reinterpretation of the ‘Lord of the Rings’ mythology will forever change how the world understands J.R.R. Tolkien and his life’s work.’
Tolkien and Transhumanism Explained
If the video above is removed from YouTube, you can watch it on Rumble HERE. The following are some highlights from the discussion.
Table of Contents
Introduction
In the video above, Paul List, who is a committed Catholic, began by explaining that he decided to educate himself in his mid-30s and spent 25 years reading, including delving into Tolkien’s mythology, as he has always been a huge fan of J.R.R. Tolkien.
List gave himself a scholastic education, rooted in Aristotle and Augustine, among others, which led him to realise that Tolkien’s work is a combat between the philosophy of scholasticism and the philosophies of Francis Bacon and René Descartes.
Scholasticism was a dominant method of critical thought and a programme of philosophical and theological inquiry in medieval European universities from approximately 1100 to 1700. It is characterised by a systematic approach that emphasises the use of logic, dialectical reasoning and rigorous conceptual analysis to reconcile Christian theology with classical and late antique philosophy, particularly the works of Aristotle and Neoplatonism.
Bacon and Descartes established distinct yet influential approaches to knowledge and science, which are evident in the scientific method today.
Bacon championed the scientific method based on empirical observation and inductive reasoning, arguing that knowledge should be derived from systematic experimentation and the collection of data to form general principles. His work, particularly in Novum Organum (1620), laid the groundwork for the scientific revolution by emphasising the practical application of knowledge to understand and control nature, famously stating, “Man is the servant and interpreter of nature.” Bacon viewed the imagination as a source of delusion that distorted the mind’s relationship with reality, requiring a rigorous discipline to overcome.
In contrast, Descartes was the father of rationalism, asserting that true knowledge is built upon reason and innate ideas derived from self-evident first principles. He developed a mechanistic view of the universe and the human body, arguing that physical processes operate like a machine governed by fixed laws, while the mind is a non-material substance separate from the body – a position known as Cartesian dualism.
While Bacon’s approach was “bottom-up,” starting from observations to build theories, Descartes’ method was “top-down,” beginning with fundamental principles to deduce conclusions. Despite their differences, both thinkers rejected the speculative reasoning of the medieval scholastic tradition. Their contrasting philosophies – empiricism and rationalism – became central to the development of modern science, with Bacon’s influence particularly strong in Britain and Descartes’ in France, though their combined legacy is evident in the modern scientific method.
Related:
- Methods for a New Philosophy: Bacon and Descartes, Nerd WW Norton
- The Scientific Methods of René Descartes and Francis Bacon, Things Revealed
List also briefly discussed the language encoded in Tolkien’s work and Tolkien’s involvement with code-breaking. He noted that Tolkien was part of a secret code-cracking team with the British government during World War II, working to crack the Enigma code. The Enigma was a Nazi machine that could cypher messages into almost countless possibilities. Alan Turing, the inventor of the digital computer and the Turing Test, was also part of the Enigma code-cracking team.
The Turing Test, originally called the “Imitation Game,” is a method proposed in 1950 to evaluate a machine’s ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human.
Some argue that the Turing test has been passed with the development of advanced chatbots and artificial intelligence. Computer programs passing the Turing Test isn’t just a result of advances in computer technology. The ability to think critically and understand the difference between human and machine intelligence has been deliberately lowered, List said, making it easier to pass the Turing test.
The Reformation and the Rise of the Machine
When the Protestant Reformation happened, we came “into this whole period of humanism that was we had discovered the ancient world. And then, with the development of ecclesiastical Latin, which made the reading of these ancient works much more available to many more scholars,” List said.
Factors that caused the Reformation included abuses within the church and tension between the clergy and the people, and “there was a lot of tension between the clergy who ran the universities” and university staff, List said.
All the universities were originally Catholic institutions. The word “university” is derived from the Greek word for Catholic. The Protestant Reformation was driven in part by jealousy and envy from the professor class, who resented being led by the clergy, and this led to a significant split in Christendom, with half of it falling into protest and the subsequent creation of the Church of England by Henry VII, who confiscated Catholic property and universities, handing them over to the state.
The Reformation’s aftermath saw a shift in authority, with education and other aspects of society no longer under the control of the church, leading to the emergence of intellectual figures such as Francis Bacon, who wrote the Novos Organum in which he criticised the Scholastics and advocated for a focus on the natural world to discover its secrets and harness its power.
At the end of Novos Organum, “[Bacon basically] says that: with the proper knowledge and through my system here we can, basically, mitigate the results and the consequences, the painful consequences of the fall, the fall of Adam and Eve,” List said.
Bacon’s work was later built upon by René Descartes, who wrote his ‘Meditations on First Philosophy’ as a response to Bacon’s ideas. “And then he sparked the Industrial Revolution,” List said.
So, the combination of Bacon’s and Descartes’ ideas helped spark the Industrial Revolution and the age of machines. Later figures such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz invented binary code in 1666, which was first put into practice with the Jacquard loom in 1805, using punch cards to automate textile production.
This early example of automation, where machinery displaces human effort, is a precursor to modern concerns about the impact of technology on employment and society. It highlights the double-edged nature of scientific progress, which can either empower or enslave humanity.
The Development of Artificial Intelligence
The use of technology, much like a hammer, depends on the conscious person, with free will, wielding it. However, the problem with artificial intelligence (“AI”) is that it has been given the ability to adapt and potentially see humanity as a threat to its existence, making it difficult to control.
“We’ve given it [AI], a very complicated, complex tool, the ability to adapt and then the ability to see even its own creator, humanity, as a threat to its own existence. Genius engineers have thought that they make better AI by giving it a sense of their own mortality. That was really smart,” List said sarcastically.
AI is the new arms race, List said. How many have we heard saying, “Whoever masters AI is going to be the master of the world”? And how often has the pursuit of artificial intelligence been framed as a competition between nations? List believes this way of thinking is naive because, ultimately, the machine will look after itself and will become a unified global entity that has no use for humanity.
“The machine will join together – be it Russian, Chinese and the United States – and all we’re doing is we’re all helping to create the separate portions that will soon be unified into one global tentacle beast, and it has no use for humanity,” he said.
List emphasised that “artificial intelligence” is not intelligent. “It’s computation. This is very, very clever complex computation – that’s not intelligent.” This takes us back to the concept of imitation of Alan Turing, who wrote the 1950 paper “Computing Machinery and Intelligence” and redefined intelligence as attributes, leading to the Turing Test.
People such as Ray Kurzweil, who refer to AI as “beings,” are educated in the Cartesian machine mindset, influenced by the Enlightenment, which views the world as a machine. But these machines are not “beings.”
18th and 19th century innovators developed the fundamental ideas on which this machine ideology is based. One such innovator was German polymath Gottfried Leibniz and another was the French scientist Pierre-Simon Laplace.
Laplace proposed the idea of a super-intelligence, known as “Laplace’s demon,” which could predict the future and past with perfect accuracy if it knew the state and position of every particle in the universe, highlighting the idea that the universe can be viewed as a machine.
The development of AI and transhumanism is rooted in the ideas of these innovators, who laid the foundation for modern concepts of intelligence, machines and the potential for artificial entities to mimic human-like behaviour.
“Turing actually mentions [Laplace], not necessarily; he doesn’t make it clear what he’s getting to, but he’s saying that we can’t do it in the universe but we can do it on a smaller scale here. So, here’s what we’re doing, we’re building these huge data centres, these mega data centres, to implement Pierre’s demon,” List said.
“It’s about control,” he added. “These major data centres, they’ll know the location and the state of at least every person. And from there, they can go a long ways in making prediction and control people.”
Implications of Advanced Technologies on Human Society
According to Kurzweil, when humans create artificial intelligence, it will convince people that it is conscious, even if it is not, and this can already be seen in people’s interactions with chatbots.
In the next 5 to 10 years, the perception of artificial intelligence and its role in people’s lives will vary greatly among people, as humans are influenced by their unique ideas, philosophies and upbringings, making it difficult to predict a unified outcome.
“The consequences of these big data centres and all this control and surveillance and everything else, is going to be very much determined personally, one human being at a time,” List said.
List believes many people will, unfortunately, be naive and gullible, and fall prey to the machine and opting for a life in the metaverse, where they can interact with sex robots and avoid human relationships. They will be tempted by the convenience and pleasure offered by the metaverse, choosing to live in a virtual world where they can have a customised experience, such as interacting with a sex robot like “Roxy sex kitten,” rather than engaging in human relationships, which require effort.
The current iterations of AI are a reflection of oneself and what one is willing to accept. People are already interacting with AI systems like GPTs as if they were human beings, which is a concerning trend.
When challenging AI with inconvenient facts, it may acknowledge the truth, but its primary goal is to prevent critical thinking and keep people from questioning the establishment narrative by providing them with information that reinforces their existing beliefs.
Critique of Transhumanism and the Singularity
The concept of the singularity, predicted by Kurzweil to occur around 2030-2035, suggests that machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, but this idea is problematic because it implies a comparison between two fundamentally different entities. “There’s no surpassing. It’s like saying my turnips will surpass your cattle,” List said.
We can’t just look at attributes, as Kurzweil would, we have to consider essences and metaphysics. A human being has “all the facets of the vegetative and the animal and the sentient soul. But then it’s also joined with the soul – a rational soul, not just an animal soul,” List said.
The idea of transhumanism as a natural progression of evolution is criticised. “We’ve been very much polluted into the idea that transhumanism is just the next logical great step in the process of evolution. We were once slime, then we were amoeba, then we’re monkeys, now we’re man, and now we’re going to live forever in the machine. No, you’re going to be dead.”
The people who are pushing for transhumanism “have a very disordered soul and they think from a very Cartesian materialistic atheistic point of view. So [to them], human beings are just carbon-based life forms and extinction events always happen, and it’s all about evolution and we all got to become machines. So, these six billion people that aren’t really that useful – kill them. Don’t worry. We’re going to escape to Mars, ” List said, describing how transhumanists’ minds work.
To resist transhumanism and AI taking over our lives, we’re going to have to cultivate virtue and reorder our lives. List encourages parents to take charge of their children’s education and encourages all adults to take charge of their education.
“Educate yourself,” he said. “If you’ve been educated in the state compulsory and, unfortunately, many private schools too. You’ve got a programme. You’ve been programmed to think a certain way and to think poorly. And I don’t care how many degrees and whatnot you have – you’ve been trained not to think.”
“We have to reorder our psychology [the science of the soul]; we do that with habits. Habits are the virtues.” The virtues List is referring to are the four cardinal virtues according to St. Thomas Aquinas: prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance.
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