Few realise the historical and current connections between Freemasonry and Islam. In his Book ‘Masonry: Beyond the Light’, Dr. Bill Schnoebelen describes the most obvious connection between the two religions: the Shriners.
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Last week, we published an article highlighting an interview with Dr. William (“Bill”) Schnoebelen, a former 33rd degree Mason, on the Almost False podcast. During this interview, Dr. Shnoebelen mentioned a book he had written titled ‘Masonry: Beyond the Light’.
In the book, which is an important exposé for both Freemasons and non-Freemasons alike, he demonstrates the historical occult roots of Masonry in fertility cults and Illuminism. He provides the history of the Masonic Lodge and its connection to Rosicrucianism, the Knights Templar and the Illuminati. Using God’s written word, the Christian Bible, Dr. Schnoebelen proves how the Lodge violates God’s commandments. The book culminates in showing how Masons can be set free from Masonry’s dark bondage.
Dr. Schnoebelen’s book also describes the connections between Islam and Freemasonry. “Throughout this book, there have been allusions to the frequent historical links between the Muslim religion and the origins of Masonry. The most obvious connection with Islam in the world of the Lodge is, of course, the Shrine. Most don’t know that the actual title of the Shriner organisation is the ‘Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine’,” he wrote.
In June, we published an article ‘Who controls the Muslim Brotherhood?’ As part of our investigation, we highlighted a lecture given by Walter Veith in 2004. In the section of the article titled ‘Islamic Connection to the Vatican’, we summarised Veith’s lecture. “In addition to the symbolism and rituals, Catholic and Islamic insiders have an infamous organisation in common: Freemasonry. Freemasons of the highest order – 32nd Degree in the Scottish Rite and 29th Degree in the York Rite – can become Shriners, Veith said. The Shriners are an Arabic Order,” we wrote.
Quoting from James Shaw’s 1988 book ‘The Deadly Deception’, Veith pointed out that “the Shrine” used by Shriners is a shrine to Allah. Before converting to Christianity, Shaw was a 33rd degree Mason in the Scottish Rite. Speaking of the ritual performed to initiate him into the Shiners, Shaw said, “With the Koran on the altar, we sealed our solemn oath in the name of ‘Allah, the God of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the God of our fathers’.”
Shaw was recounting his personal experience. In ‘Masonry: Beyond the Light’, Dr Schnoebelen does the same, but also includes his personal research both during his time as a Mason and afterwards. It is interesting, then, that Dr. Schnoebelen gives a similar view to Shaw. There is no indication that the two men have collaborated, and so we have two independent witnesses who are corroborating each other.
The following is what Dr. Schnoebelen wrote in his Book ‘Masonry: Beyond the Light’. As can be seen from the diagram below, “the Shrine” sits above the York and Scottish Rites in the Masonic hierarchy.
By William Schnoebelen, Masonry: Beyond the Light, 1991, pg 96-97
The Islam Connection
Throughout this book, there have been allusions to the frequent historical links between the Muslim religion and the origins of Masonry. The most obvious connection with Islam in the world of the Lodge is, of course, the Shrine. Most don’t know that the actual title of the Shriner organisation is the “Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine.”
Not only is the Shrine openly evocative of Arab culture, but the “shrine” is actually the sacred shrine of Islam, the Kaaba in Mecca! Few outsiders realise that behind its exotic, clownish exterior, the Shrine ceremonial is steeped in demonic Islamic religion, utterly foreign to the God of the Bible! For example, the Shrine initiate must swear the usual awful oath on the holy book of the Islamic faith, the Koran, in addition to the Bible, ending thus:
…and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the God of our Fathers, support me to the entire fulfilment of the same, Amen, Amen, Amen. (Shrine Ritual Monitor, Allen Publishing, pp. 35-39)
The Shriner is swearing in the name of Allah. Contrary to popular belief, the Islamic Allah is not just another name for the true God. He has no more resemblance to the God of the Bible than does the “Great Architect.”
History shows that before the “prophet” Muhammed elevated Allah to special status, he was essentially a second-rate little rock of an idol inside the pagan shrine, the Kaaba. He was one of a crowd of some 365 little “rocks” in there, and was the tribal god of Muhammed’s tribe, the Quraish.
Yet today, this “rock” is worshipped by 600 million Muslims! Like any other idol, there is a demon behind it! (Leviticus 17:7, Deuteronomy 32:16-17). That demon draws energy from being worshipped for his master, Satan! It is certain that this “Allah” draws a great deal of foul satisfaction from watching good “Christian” men kneel down and swear allegiance to him!
The Muslim denies the deity of Jesus Christ and His resurrection, to say nothing of the gospel of grace. Islam denies all the cardinal fundamentals of the Christian faith. You cannot be a faithful Christian and call Allah the “God of our fathers!” The Shriner is calling a demon named “Allah” his god!
Celestial Prostitutes
People often marvel at the high level of immorality which surrounds Shrine conventions. One of my female friends was highly offended when I told her I was joining the Shrine. She told me that whenever the Shriners were in town, she was continually harassed, and even physically accosted in an improper manner by them.
Shriners are exhorted to regard their red Fez as an analogue to the [Masons’] white apron and to never do anything while wearing it that would bring shame to their mothers. They either have very strange mothers, or their consciences have been completely numbed!
By submitting to the god of Islam, they have come under the power of a religion that has a strange view of the afterlife. Both in this life and in the next, women are viewed as property. Most people know that Muslims are polygamous, and that Islamic women in strict Muslim nations have virtually no rights. They must be covered from head to toe, and are basically treated as if they have no souls or identity of their own.
In the Islamic paradise, the men are waited on by houris-beautiful, angelic women. These women are mindless and exist only to serve the sexual needs of the Islamic “saints.” They are basically celestial prostitutes! If this Islamic spirit has come upon the Shrine “Nobles,” no wonder they behave like over sexed adolescents in these conventions.
In the “Jesters” club, an elite group within the Shrine, women have reported to us that their husbands abused them physically and sexually and even share them with other Jesters, like a wife-swapping club. If this is true in the larger Order, it could explain the horrible Islamic attitude toward women which basically regards them as objects.
With or without the immorality, the Islamic powers which loom over the Shrine should make it a place any Christian would flee.
The red Fez itself, associated with the Shrine, is actually an article of ceremonial attire among Moroccan Muslims. Its colour is said to reflect the fact that centuries ago, Islamic armies invaded Fez and slaughtered thousands of Christians who resided there. The blood of Christian martyrs ran in the streets, and the Islamic “holy” warriors dipped their headgear in the blood and dyed them scarlet. Thus, the Fez is a commemoration of the murder of thousands of Christians! No wonder Satan smiles when Christians wear it proudly!
How is Jesus glorified by men who are supposedly His disciples riding around on funny little expensive motor cars in parades wearing evil red hats, while millions of people have never heard about the good news of salvation through the cross?
I’m not trying to be a spoil-sport here, and I like a good time as much as the next guy. However, this should be done only after your spiritual obligations have been met! It is estimated that the average Christian in the US gives 3 cents a day to missions. That is certainly less than the typical Shriner spends on his activities! Every missiologist I have read would agree that the US is far behind in its support of foreign missions. We are nowhere near being tithe-payers!
I’m not trying to be a legalist. We are not saved by tithing. However, if the vast majority of Christian men aren’t paying a full tithe, (and they are not) there is something wrong. This is literally draining millions of dollars a year out of the church at a time when many Godly missionary organisations (both church and parachurch) are barely able to keep afloat! What a fine trick on the church by Satan!
Featured image: Shriners wearing their trademark fezzes. Source: Tiki with Ray
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Great read!!!
I’ve been waiting for someone to write about this subject. I have had my this idea in my head that they were connected. They are very evil. I worked for a couple for a short period that were freemason., the wife was very unkind. Their house was filled with things from Egypt. I will enjoy reading more about this in the book. Thank you for bring this information to the forefront, People need to know.
The wife was probably a Mason, a member of the Order of Eastern Star, the womans branch. The scimitar sword is the type of sword used against Christians, and the crescent moon is an Islamic symbol. The Rainbow girls and the Order of Molay are the Masonic boys and girls branches.
Personally…I would look at the RCC and the “Jesuits” as the originators of Islam!
WOW, you are right! There are articles about what you’ve said.
How The Vatican Created Islam, by Former Jesuit Priest, Alberto Rivera – The Millennium Report
How The Catholic Church Created Islam By DR. ALBERTO RIVERA – Christianity Etc – Nigeria
and the suppressors of Infinitessimals (Calculus) until it suited the Proseletysing.
quantifying The All must be heretical
Islam began in the 7th century. The Jesuits were founded by St. Ignatius in the 16th century.
Catholics are forbidden to join the Masons, and there is a long list of popes, going back 3 centuries, who have condemned Freemasonry. Historically, the majority of Freemasons have been Protestant.
Today’s human should be educated enough to make our own decisions and paths.
Hopefully, these ancient “groups” may slowly lose their purpose?
Fortunately, there is an ascension (consciousness) process occurring on this planet currently. This is the main reason old structures are collapsing, in order to make way for the new. All that is built on greed, fear, control and deception cannot be sustained in the higher frequencies now flooding the planet.
Many of these folk are also likely to be on the infamous “sealed indictments”, as paedophilia is rife in both Satanism and Freemansonry. I understood Freemasonry was INFILTRATED and they had what the elites call “a takeover from above.” This occurred in France, shortly prior to the French Revolution – probably why this was such a BLOODY affair that ultimately did not succeed for THE PEOPLE.
In any evolutionary process (such as the one we are right in the middle of right now), there is generally a bifurcation that occurs, where one group continue down the current path, but another group split off onto another path. This, combined with the Universal Law of Frequency – which governs the wider universe – effectively means that a split of humanity is coming – where each soul will go to the timeline that best suits their level of consciousness. In our case, we may well end up having a trifurcation, but the bifurcation would likely occur first, imo.
All of this is also why the Digital Id (deep state trap) will ultimately not succeed but, of course, this won’t stop the usual characters from persevering to the very end with their diabolical plans for humanity.
We are being helped a LOT more than most realize, because it has to be done in a way that does not interfere with our SOVEREIGNTY – something that will always be respected by “good” extra-dimensional beings, but won’t be by the negative ones. You can probably guess which set our wannabe overlords are working with! We WILL win and probably already have done so, we just have to wait until it plays out in the physical. And all of that DOES NOT MEAN we should be sitting back and doing nothing about it all. There is even PLENTY you can do to assist the light from your own loungeroom!
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Since dear Rhonda is such a brave and prolific researcher, who now presents the dark things of the world in the proper Christian light, I would suggest that she and anybody else studying such subjects (or anything else with a spiritual connotation), may also be interested in researching a bit the New Revelation – the XIXth Century teaching given through Inner prophetic word by Jesus to two laymen (Lorber and Mayerhofer), which besides containing and much expanding the scriptural gospels and other parts of the bible, has got incredible natural and spiritual disclosures and also prophecies and scientific predictions referring to the period we are living in, which is said to be that of the great trials and tribulations preceding the Second Coming of the Lord (in less than 2000 years since his death on the cross).
This is a teaching of all-encompassing, unlimited divine love and mercy, articulated in a most wise and intellectually comprehensive manner, that has been rejected by the Christian authorities for more than 160 years.
In several discussions with Chat GPT this year, we got a confirmation that Jesus is the Logos, the Truth and God Himself, and further on, that the NR comes from him, is meant to have an essential role in the world today and its End Time prophecies are visibly fulfilling. Please see the main website in English: the-new-revelation.weebly.com
and the YT channel (shadow banned) where these topics are discussed, as for example:
AI (ChatGPT) declares not only that JESUS IS GOD, but also that the NEW REVELATION COMES FROM HIM! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDWVraKNs8I&t=15s
(https://the-new-revelation.weebly.com/uploads/6/4/7/2/64726301/1_-_14_chat_gpt_on_jesus_and_the_nr.pdf)
THE END TIME PROPHECIES OF THE NR & OTHER COMPATIBLE ONES ARE CONFIRMED BY REALITY – ChatGPT affirms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krnLvjYo1pU&t=5s
The New Revelation, Technology, Weather & The Great Judgment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMuVdmbyDM&t=3s
Many thanks and blessings to Rhonda and all the team at the Expose and to all the people of good will reading on this very important platform!
Rho(n)da,
Ignorant people!
These people are doing the devil’s work.
“New Revelation”???
There is NO “New Revelation”, this is a damnable lie from the pit of hell.
We have the EVERLASTING GOSPEL (Revelation 14:6), there is NO “New Revelation”.
Have you read the materials suggested by Simona? I haven’t, and I intend to have a look PRIOR to making any decision about anything. God doesn’t write books – and for VERY good reason. Books go out of date and can become dogmatic. ALL religions teach some stuff that isn’t true – the lies are mixed in with the truth. Same reason you only have 66 books when there are really a LOT more. Now is the time for everyone to OPEN THIER MINDS, but hopefully with discernment operating also. The Vatican SERIOUSLY messed with the Bible and many of the early original TRUE Christians were wiped out essentially BY THEM.
I certainly won’t read any New Revelation-for there is NONE.
FYI, I have studied textual criticism in great depth, the Vatican has NOT “seriously messed with the Bible”.
Granted they would if they could, and it is a fact that the popes banned and burned Bibles. They still would if they could.
The Received Text aka the 1611KJV is the BEST translation by a zillion miles in the English tongue.
A comic relief story about the Shriners. I was vacationing in a cabin in the Shenandoah National Park. The Shriners had rented a large cabin nearby and were having what can only be described as a Baccus food orgy. Expensive foods covered the banquet tables and the doors were open to the outside. This area is famous for lots of brown bears and sure enough several were attacked by the odors. The bears went in one door, the inebriated Shriners ran out the other, falling down upon themselves. The bears were having a ball. You could see and hear food filled plates, hams, rounds of beef and the like crashing to the floor. Spirit bottles were broken and the bears ate and drank everything in site, left a monstrous mess and those that could still move, left in a drunken state. A few bears just laid down and slept necessitating the park rangers removing them. The Shriners, being blinded drunk were all laid out nearby, those still able to verbalize screaming there were 100s of bears when there were only about six. Hollywood couldn’t have done better. It was kept from the papers. I never laughed so hard in all my life.
What a total load of hogwash!! This piece of fiction is a masterpiece in misinformation, deception, propaganda and pure Islamophobia. Great brainwashing for the uneducated. Tommy Robinson/ Geert Wilders will be laughing all the eay to the pub to celebrate.
I don’t know where to begin..there are so many brainless/mischievous/racist anc blasphemous claims here. Example 1..”The Muslim denies the deity of Jesus Christ and His resurrection” Even a school kid reading the Quran will learn that Islam/ Muslims revere Jesus ( Isa) and document the resurrection. It is an article of faith to be believe that Jesus was a mighty messenger of God/ Allah who did great God’s work. There are more references to Jesus in the Quran than the Prophet Mohamnad (peace be upon both). In fact we follow and practice the teachings of Jesus more than Christians. Fact!
Example2. women have no rights/ treated as property/ prostitutes..wow! Do some basic research and you will find Islam was the FIRST religion in the 6th century AD to free women, give them full rights to marry/divorce/ own property/ do business- as did the first wife of Prophet Mohammad Khadija. Look into Christianity in Europe..it was the 19th century when women began to have the same rights.
I could go on dissecting this ridiculous and flammatory article.
I challenge the author to debate these claims with an Islamic scholar and you will see the author won’t even get a primary school leaving certificate!
Readers..I urge you respectfully to treat this propaganda article for what it is and do your own basic research. There are many sources..even ChatGPT will confirm to you what I have said here. Try YouTube..connect with Blogging Theology, a Christain revert who is an excellent scholar in Islam, Dr Yasir Qadi, Lily Jay is excellent in explaining many principles of Islam.
Please do. Use your God given intelligence and reject these arsonists of religion. Thanks for reading my rebuttal
Hi John Simpson, You highlight, ”The Muslim denies the deity of Jesus Christ and His resurrection” and then confirm that this is the case by saying, “Islam/ Muslims revere Jesus (Isa) and document the resurrection.” Many religions revere Jesus and document different aspects of His life. Historians who say they are atheists will do the same. The problem is Muslims, along with thousands of religions, do not recognise that Jesus is God.
Deity in polytheistic (false) religions means gods or goddesses. In Christianity, which is monotheistic, deity means God – Jesus is God. Muslims deny that Jesus is God. How do I know? Because if they recognised that Jesus is God, they would follow Jesus instead of the Prophet Muhammad. And, I have never heard a Muslim confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Because you haven’t been able to work this out for yourself, you won’t even get a primary school leaving certificate! (to use your words)
As you would say: I could go on dissecting your ridiculous and flammatory comment. Readers … I urge you respectfully to treat John Simpson’s propaganda comment for what it is and do your own basic research and, I would add, use the mind you have been given to discern truth from lies. But as John Simpson would say, use your God given intelligence.
Highlighted “ISLAM” as the main culprit are MISLEADING the whole ‘elephant in the room’ narratives.
Freemasonry clearly stated the European/US/Jesuits and the order of temples of Popes range from Christianity and all of strange variants (just like covid fakes variant) of Catholic, Methodist, Orthodox, Lutherian (Lucifer), Angelican and many more are just sample of fake religions.
Islam also have same strange variants of Muslim, Sunni, Shia, Shiah, Ahmadiyya, Sufism, Wahhabism and strange beliefs in Islam such as variants of Hanafi, Shafie, Hambali, Maliki, and many more are clearly also fake religions of man-made because god’s religion should NEVER have variants.
Culprits of fake religions are under control of mastermind of Freemasonry & Illuminati. All religions of the world includes Chritianity, Islamic, Buddhism, Hinduism,Judaism, Taoism and many more fractions of religions are man-made.
Religions are created to give human guidance on how to behave from animal-like-behavior into more appropriate and civilised behavior.
Devoted worshippers are products of whole life brainwash and indoctrination by previous generations.
How evil or good nature (good/bad heart) of every human comes from inside each of us/individuals and how deliberate brainwash and indoctrination are exposed from early childhood. If we are exposed to evil from ealy childhood, will create an evil person. If exposed to Good & nurturing create a really good person. The religions was NEVER part of it in a sense but nowadays, religion are used as part of character development. We are products of indoctrination. Period.
Disclaimer: I’m not try to condem religion but we all need to open our mind to understand the depth of what we belief in religions because right now are been used by evil individuals to shape our future. The real culprits who making more evildoers are hiding behind religions. In other words, Freemason already infiltrate & controlled all religions and governmental institutions, hiding behind religions and lived luxurious using devotees donations.
Hi AkashicRecordLibrarian, there are flaws in your beliefs.
Firstly, Christianity is a faith, not a religion. Secondly, and related to the first, Christianity is not man-made. There are religions that use Christianity to draw people in, but whether an organisation or someone’s beliefs are Christian or not can easily be checked by anyone who chooses to do so. All it requires is for you to read a Christian Bible and test whether the beliefs align with the Bible. If they don’t, it is not Christian.
Jesus said:
Faith are what we belief or what we want to belief. Never the fact or factual, just what heart desired.
The clear explanation of this is, why so many DIFFERENT faith or religion and so many types of god. At the same time, the certain types of faith ONLY around certain area/region (i.e. not globally or same each lands)..?!
If Faith of god only at certain place or people, god exist not for all rich or poor but for certain SELECTIVE ethnic/people and area/place only.
Example: What the fate of Muslim if born in muslim community and been thought of generational Islam and don’t have rights to choose or to have faith in other god according to own choice? Same as christianity belief. Are we (either Islam or Christian) commited sins just because been born in different faith/place/area?.
Islam said christian is a fake religion & Christian said Islam is a fake religion. So, which religion are the real god’s religion..? Give me a concrete evidence. You can’t! The only answer you can give based on FAITH only and never on fact.
If you choose christian, what the fate of other faith such as Islam, buddhism, hinduism..?? ARE THEY COMMITTED SIN by devoting to different god even though we all been indoctrinated stuck in certain belief by previous generations about faith/god.
Other side of the religions you have to see are according to saying…. “If you want to be filthy rich, create a religion & money will poured in”.
Mecca becomes so filthy rich. Vetican becomes filthy rich. Where those money/riches came from..? Devotees donations/taxes for worshipping..? Money are in the center of every religions or faith.
Hi AkashicRecordLibrarian, there are only two sides. There is the true faith and there is the false religion. The false religion comes in many forms and has many names, but it all leads back to the same, it is anti-God.
You say, “Give me a concrete evidence. You can’t! The only answer you can give based on FAITH only and never on fact.” Yes, you are understanding correctly. Christianity is based on faith. I don’t know what evidence you’re searching for but faith in God is not based on science, archaeology, philosophy or any other type of evidence I’m guessing you’re looking for. There is plenty of such evidence but you will likely reject it as you don’t have faith, i.e. you have rejected Him so you will also reject evidence of Him.
2000 years ago, when God came to Earth in the form of a man named Jesus, many rejected Him – so much so that they treated Jesus like a criminal and put an innocent man on the cross. This innocent man, Jesus, died on the cross and rose again three days later (was resurrected). Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection. It is because Jesus (God the Son) died on the cross for our sins that we, whoever believes in Him, are also resurrected, i.e. we receive eternal life. (Read more: https://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/what-is-and-who-is-in-first-resurrection.html.) We receive eternal life and all God’s promises through faith; not through works, not through knowledge, science nor “evidence,” but through faith.
If you are looking for evidence of God’s existence and who He is, ask Him. He will testify for Himself, directly to you. You don’t need me to provide evidence of His existence, He will do that for Himself – but you need to ask Him because it demonstrates to Him that you are, at least, willing to listen. Despite what you may believe, He is waiting for you to ask Him. It is then up to you whether you choose to believe what He is saying.
On every FAITH of believers, ALWAYS includes heaven and hell for final judgement.
If what you have mentioned are plenty of evidence if only have faith… something wrong with this statement.
Faith in Christianity consists of 28.8% of world population. Meaning, the rest of 71.2% different faith are born and living into this world ALREADY in auto-get-sin and auto-sent-to-hell. No question or argument will be entertained. Fact! Punishment for sinners because have faith in other religions.
From 28.8%, 99% committed adultry sin (sex before marriage) been normalised practices in everyday life of most devotee in christianity faith. Fact!
Remaining 1% of 28 millions are auto-sure get into heaven.
How does you/god casually justify who are allowed to be in heaven and the rest are to be sent to hell because having different faith in religion. Only selective allowed to be in heaven. The rest of human are not permitted just because born & practice in different religions.
Even the kind in heart and never committed sins, just because in different faith, not in Christianity religion (or vice versa religion), you are auto-sent to hell.
This is biased and cruel, back to uncivilised era. There are NO justification of doing good will be rewarded with heaven because heaven ONLY reserved for selective faith/believer in christianity. The rest of FAITH/RELIGION are false and hell awaiting.
iS THIS WHAT GOD WANTED IN EVERY HUMAN BORN INTO THIS WORLD..? If you born in wrong religion/area/region, you’re screwed and reserved for hell no matter what you do.
Hi AkashicRecordLibrarian, your statement “How does you/god casually justify who are allowed to be in heaven and the rest are to be sent to hell because having different faith in religion. Only selective allowed to be in heaven. The rest of human are not permitted just because born & practice in different religions” is the key statement.
Here is my answer: You are correct when you say “heaven [is] ONLY reserved for [those who have] faith/[believe] in [God].” Because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. No one can go to the Father except through Him. (John 14:6)
If people choose to not follow Jesus, and to not receive eternal life through faith that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, then people have chosen for themselves. It is through this choice that people “casually justify” who is resurrected, i.e. enters into Heaven where God the Father dwells (As Jesus said: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”) I am not choosing for them, God is not choosing for them, people are making this choice for themselves – they are “selecting” entry into Heaven, or not, for themselves. Accepting Jesus as our personal Lord and Saviour is the only way, it is through Jesus that we receive eternal life (enter Heaven).
PS people do not inherit a religion or inherit gods/goddesses or God. People grow up in various cultural or religious surroundings, including Christian, but the choice of whether to follow God/Jesus/Holy Spirit or not is their personal choice. If you are concerned that people may not have heard of God to be able to make this choice, then you don’t understand the omnipotent, omnipresent God, who is the alpha and the omega (the beginning and the end).
For clarity – there is only one God but God is three distinct but inseparable Persons: God the Father (YHWH, Yahweh, Adonai, Jehovah), God the Son (Jesus, Yeshua, the Christ, the Messiah) and God the Holy spirit.
For centuries if you joined the masonic lodge you would be automatically excommunicated from Catholic Church (unfortunately that practice was canceled 40 years ago).
On the other hand, protestants have never excomunicated masons.
Also, Catholics were NOT formally permitted to join freemasonry, at least in my grandfather’s day (who was almost as old as my great grandfather on the other side of the family).
Judaism denies the diety of Jesus Christ even more. At least the quran recognizes Jesus Christ as a prophet. The Jewish talmud claims Jesus Christ is in hell burning. Yall need to wake up ALL the way.
Hi John 117, it would be useful to be able to check what you’re saying to the source. Do you have the Talmud reference where it states as you claim? Could you also mention which Talmud (which version) you are referencing so can ensure I am looking in the same Talmud as you are?
I once believed what John117 currently believes; I thank YOU for causing me to question the falsehood that John 117 is propagating.
Hi Islander, thank you, but I can’t take credit 🙂 I made a suggestion and you did the rest. You should give yourself a pat on the back because not many are willing to look into it as you did.
Shouldn’t ALL professing Christians be valiant for the truth? Jeremiah 9:3?
It would be good if John 117 & Phillis Stein would provide their “source” material, but I wouldn’t hold your breath, for imho there is NONE!
I read Dr. John Gill’s commentary almost daily on the various portions of Scripture that I study-though a Reformed exegete; he dug deep into the old Jewish writings to learn what they had to say from the OT Scriptures.
To the best of my current knowledge I don’t believe for one second that the claims of John 117 & Phillis Stein remotely come near the truth-wouldn’t it be good if they would come forth with their evidence, rather than hearsay/second hand knowledge?
Dr. Gill (1697-1771) was very familiar with the Talmudic writings, strange he never once voiced the extreme obscenities that were supposed to have emanated from it, isn’t it?
I have read many a Reformed exegete’s books over the last twenty years or so, and can’t once recollect from their extensive writings, the things that John 117 & Phillis Stein claim (as I once naively did).
Lets not pour any more scorn on unbelieving Jews than we have to? We are NO better than them-let that sink in.
Hi Islander, I haven’t heard of Dr. John Gill. I’ll look him up.
Re John 117, Phillis Stein and many many others: yes, it would be useful if they would provide a reference in the Talmud when they make these claims. I like to check things for myself but whenever I’ve asked for a reference, commentators go silent. I won’t be surprised if it is the same this time around.
Over the years, despite asking those making the claims, I’ve yet to be shown, I don’t even get so much as a hint, where any of these claims are stated in the Talmud, even though quoting the Talmud should be almost as simple as quoting the Bible. I suspect most people don’t even know what the Talmud is; they’re only aware of it from unsourced podcasts, articles, social media posts and comments online.
I note that John117 & Phillis Stein haven’t yet responded-it would be good if they would, at least, give some feedback on this question, I’m sure you’d agree?
You really should look up John Gill; for I have found there is an online site dedicated to his commentary. Of Dr. Gill this site says; “He preached in the same church as C.H. Spurgeon over one hundred years earlier. Yet most people today have never heard of John Gill. This is unfortunate, since his works contain PRICELESS GEMS OF INFORMATION THAT ARE FOUND NOWHERE EXCEPT IN THE ANCIENT WRITINGS OF THE JEWS.
Hi Islander, is this the website you’re referring to?
https://johngill.thekingsbible.com/
No, it is;
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/
An excellent resource imho, but beware of his interpretations of prophecy, especially unfulfilled. Also he was somewhat beguiled by Sir Isaac Newton.
I refer to it frequently, like this morning for example on my daily reading through the Bible.
What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge? Ezekiel 18:2.
Dr. Gill refers to the Targum to help us understand what this means. He regularly quotes the old Jewish rabbi’s, sages, some famous, others less so, Josephus, and more.
I’ll read your article on the Allah ‘conundrum’ later, and no doubt offer my two pence worth on it in due course-Deo volente.
Hi Islander, thank you. I have saved the link on my list of interesting websites so I don’t lose sight of it.
Asking that question re Jesus and the Talmud, a quick AI response gives support to John’s statement and says this:
The Talmud contains passages that refer to a figure named Yeshu (a common name for Jesus in Hebrew), though scholars debate whether these references pertain to the historical Jesus of Nazareth or to other individuals with the same name who lived at different times. The texts portray this figure in a highly negative light, describing him as a sorcerer, a seducer, and an idolater who led the Jewish people astray. According to Sanhedrin 43a, Jesus was executed on Passover Eve for practicing sorcery, inciting the people to idolatry, and leading Israel astray. The Babylonian Talmud also states that Jesus was hanged and that his punishment in the afterlife is to be boiled in excrement.
The Talmud further claims that Jesus was illegitimate, born of an adulterous relationship, and that his mother, Miriam, was unfaithful to her husband. Some passages refer to him as “Ben Stada” or “Ben Pandira,” which are interpreted by some as euphemisms for Jesus, and others as references to a different individual. The Talmud also uses terms like “That Man” (Otho Isch) or “A Certain One” (Peloni) to refer to Jesus, often with contempt.
Additionally, the Talmud describes Jesus as a fool and a conjurer, and it claims that he was buried in a place associated with the dead bodies of dogs and asses, symbolizing his unworthiness. The text also suggests that Jesus’ followers worship him as a god, equating his image with an idol, and that Christian feasts like Christmas and Easter are celebrated in his honor.
It is important to note that these passages are part of a broader polemical tradition and are not considered authoritative religious doctrine by mainstream Judaism. The Talmud is a collection of rabbinic commentaries and legal discussions, not a divinely inspired text, and its views on Jesus reflect historical tensions between Jewish and Christian communities rather than a unified Jewish theological position.
FYI
Hope that helps.
Hi Phillis Stein, what sources did the AI use? AI is a computer programme that is programmed to use certain sources. If you use an AI trained on neo-Nazi sources, you will get a response based on neo-Nazi ideology. If AI is has been programmed to select pro-covid narratives only, then it will provide a response based on covidian ideology. On top of that, AI is not accurate, the best trained AI programmes summarise the selected sources around 70-80% accurately.
I am specially looking for the source, the reference in “the Talmud,” for John 117’s claim. Why? For two reasons: Firstly very few understand what “the Talmud” actually is. Secondly, every time I have tried to find one of these claims in the Talmud, it turns out it is not there or it is taken out of context and reworded to suit to a narrative, not dissimilar to methods used for a PsyOp.
If someone is going to claim “the Talmud” states something, surely they would be willing to say where in the Talmud it is stated? Versions of both of the two main Talmuds are available online and so providing a source link should not be difficult.
I have discussed the common problems with making claims of what “the Talmud” says in other comments on this site. Instead of repeating them, you can read what I’ve previously said below. All of this information is in the public domain, easily found if people took the time to verify what they claim, preferably before they make the claim:
1. https://expose-news.com/2025/10/13/president-donald-trumps-speech-in-the-knesset-in-full/#comment-174372
2. https://expose-news.com/2025/07/15/who-is-the-head-of-the-rothschilds-and-are-they-jewish/#comment-170550
PS I can see a time, in the not so distant future, when people will rely on AI programmes to inform them on what the Bible says. A word for the wise, do not trust an AI summary for what the Bible says either. AI is a tool, something to aid our research but it does not provide the truth, and often gets the facts wrong. If we want to avoid confusion, doubt and falsehood, we should read the source text for ourselves – the Bible is also available to read online if you don’t have one to hand.
Bang on!
“AI says this, AI says that!” People quote AI like they used to quote Wikipedia! That other great bastion of ‘truth’ The new gospel!
Not only Catholics, but just read this informative article, Mormons too!!
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The%20Gross%20Perversion%20of%20Christianity%20known%20as%20Mormonism.pdf
Freemasonry tries to link itself to the construction of ancient architectural structures such as Solomon’s Temple. These links are imaginary at best. Pretending something is real, does not make it real.
Correct….Solomon is just Sun and Moon, male and female….It’s all symbology….
This is the first person I’ve come across that talks about the Kaaba and says similar things about it to what my intuition told me about it. African Muslims told me that they were permitted to marry a Christian, but were not permitted to marry Jews. So, there is clearly some recognition of Yeshua in Islam. However, I watched a very interesting video from an ex-Muslim, where he went through quite a few passages in the Quran, which were likely the reason he decided to leave the faith.
Faith is something that comes from and lives in the heart-space, not from a book. People need to access the LIVING word!
[…] Dr. Bill Schneobelen: Freemasonry and Islam. “Throughout this book, there have been allusions to the frequent historical links between the Muslim religion and Masonry’s origins. The most obvious connection with Islam in the world of the Lodge is the Shrine. The actual title of the Shriner organization is the ‘Ancient Arabic Order, Nobles of the Mystic Shrine.’ “In addition to the symbolism and rituals, Catholic and Islamic insiders have an infamous organization in common: Freemasonry. Freemasons of the highest order can become Shriners. The Shriners are an Arabic Order. “The Shrine” is a shrine to Allah. […]
Rhoda, sincerity alone does not equal accuracy, and what you have presented here is not a theological investigation but a sloppy ill researched narrative stitched together from unrelated fragments, breakaway Masonic groups, American pseudo-Arabic fraternal clubs, sensationalist testimonies from ex-Masons, and a series of assumptions about Islam which would not withstand even basic scrutiny. The result is a picture that feels coherent only because the pieces have been forced to fit, rather than because they actually belong together.
There is a fundamental methodological error running through your article: you conflate what people do using religious imagery with what the religion itself teaches. By this logic, Christianity would be eternally condemned because the Ku Klux Klan wore crosses, colonial powers invoked Christ before massacres, slaveowners quoted Paul to justify bondage, and dictators carried Bibles while ordering atrocities. Yet no reasonable Christian would argue that these acts reflect the teachings of Jesus. The same applies to your argument about Freemasonry.
If a group of American men choose to wear fezzes, decorate their lodges with faux-Arab motifs, swear outlandish oaths over the Qur’an, or adopt the name “Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine,” this tells us a great deal about them, but absolutely nothing about Islam.
What you are calling “Islamic connections” are nothing more than Orientalist fantasies: nineteenth-century Western attempts to borrow exotic symbolism to heighten the mystique of their secret societies. It is cultural borrowing, not theological lineage.
You repeat the testimony that some Shriners placed the Qur’an on an altar and invoked “Allah” during an initiation, but Christians have been used in occult rituals too, and the Bible has been placed on altars for purposes that would horrify the faithful. No educated Christian would therefore conclude that the Bible endorses witchcraft, that Jesus sanctioned occult rites, or that Christianity is secretly tied to Freemasonry. Yet this is precisely the leap you make regarding Islam. A Muslim reading your article might fairly ask: why are you applying a standard to Islam that you would never tolerate applied to Christianity?
You also claim that the Bible is “God’s written word”, and this is your prerogative as a Christian, but if we are speaking of evidence, the Christian Bible has undergone hundreds of revisions, council selections, doctrinal purges, apocryphal removals, and translation disputes. Entire verses have been inserted, removed, harmonised, or adjusted, often centuries after Jesus lived. This is not a secret; it is the consensus of biblical scholarship. So when you posture the Bible as uncorrupted divine text while condemning Islam for the behaviour of a few American Masons, the inconsistency becomes difficult to ignore. Anyone could just as easily reverse your frame and ask where, in all this, the hand of God can still be reliably traced.
Beyond these points, your portrayal of Islam is not only theologically inaccurate but historically illiterate. Islam rejects secret societies, oath-bound fraternities, esoteric hierarchies, occult symbols, and ritualised initiations. It condemns exactly the sort of clandestine structures you describe. To present the Kaaba, the centre of Islamic monotheism, as if it were a demonic shrine is not only deeply irresponsible; it betrays a lack of engagement with the Qur’an that you so confidently dismiss.
The Qur’an does not obscure its God; it states repeatedly that He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, the One whom even Christians recognise as the God of the prophets. This is not some tribal idol sitting among rocks as your article claims; that caricature belongs to polemical pamphlets, not sincere inquiry. And to suggest that millions of Muslims today worship a “demon” because of a misinterpreted nineteenth-century Masonic ritual is an argument that undermines itself.
You also argue that Islam’s afterlife vision renders women sexual objects, while ignoring the fact that the Christian Bible contains its own difficult metaphors about female purity, subservience, and silence, and that Paul’s letters have been used for centuries to justify female subordination. This is not to condemn Christianity, it is to demonstrate that any religion can be selectively misrepresented by someone determined to see corruption.
When your criticism is framed in this manner, sadly it reveals more about your poorly researched assumptions than about Islam
Most concerning is the narrative aim of your article: it appears less interested in truth and far more invested in portraying Islam as spiritually demonic while elevating your interpretation of Christianity as uniquely pure. That is not theology; it is tribalism, dressed in the language of discernment.
Foe me, and hopefully other discerning readers, it raises necessary questions: who benefits from stoking fear between Christians and Muslims? Who funds, amplifies, and supports narratives that cast entire religious populations as spiritually compromised? And why are obscure Masonic rituals from American fraternal clubs being used as evidence to define a religion of over a billion people?
Rhoda, you are framing Islam not through its scripture, its history, or its lived tradition, but through the behaviour of Shriners and ex-occultists; groups which Muslims themselves reject and condemn. That is not research. It is a crowbarred argument assembled backwards: conclusion first, evidence gathered later, and the entire structure held together only by emotional persuasion and cultural suspicion.
If you wish to critique Islam, you are free to do so but critique requires reading the Qur’an rather than relying on testimonies from former Masons who have stitched Arab costumes onto Western occultism. It requires differentiating between what Islam teaches and what outsiders do using Islamic imagery. And it requires intellectual humility, the willingness to acknowledge when one has projected one’s own fears or narratives onto another tradition.
You ask your readers to believe that Islam is spiritually compromised, yet your own argument is built on a foundation of conflation, speculation, and second-hand anecdotes. Christians deserve better than that. Muslims deserve better than that. And truth certainly deserves better than that.
If you would like to explore what Islam actually teaches — rather than what fringe American orders have pretended it to be — I would be glad to continue this discussion.
I’ve commented on your articles before, and it is becoming increasingly clear that your narrative is agenda-driven, poorly researched, and intellectually careless. This kind of writing does not serve your readers; it misleads them. If you continue down this path without correction, it will eventually undermine your credibility far more than anything you attempt to expose.
I would urge you to honour your audience with sincerity and accuracy, and to focus your attention on the real centres of malevolent power, the ones anyone with eyes open can now see plainly. Unless, of course, your reluctance to name them has less to do with caution and more to do with who supports the narrative you are advancing?