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A quote widely shared on social media and independent sites over the years states that Rudolf Steiner “predicted” more than 100 years ago that a vaccine would be given to children as young as possible, so that people cannot “develop” a soul or spirit.

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Table of Contents

  1. Introduction
  2. Who is Rudolf Steiner?
  3. Paraphrased versus Actual Quote
  4. Rudolf Steiner Quotes

Introduction

Rudolf Steiner, an Austrian philosopher and founder of anthroposophy, reportedly stated in lectures from 1917 that “In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine. Under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’, there will be a vaccine by which the human body will be treated as soon as possible directly at birth, so that the human being cannot develop the thought of the existence of soul and spirit.”

The quote claims he further stated that materialistic doctors would be entrusted with the task of removing the soul of humanity, and that such a vaccine would make people immune to spiritual life, rendering them highly intelligent but devoid of conscience.

According to the quote, this vaccine would destabilise the relationship between the human etheric body and the universe, causing people to become automatons incapable of spiritual development.

This quote from Steiner has been widely shared on social media and other online sites, an example of which can be read HERE and in the image below.

However, it is paraphrased from statements made by Steiner rather than a direct quote.  Rather than repeating the paraphrased quote in this article, we have given the Steiner quotes from which they were paraphrased and are no less chilling. But before we read them, it’s useful to understand Steiner’s worldview.

Who is Rudolf Steiner?

According to Grokipedia, Rudolf Steiner was the founder of Anthroposophy, the Waldorf education system and biodynamic farming, and a visionary, clairvoyant and master teacher.

Grokipedia then goes on to note more details about his involvement with Theosophy: Steiner joined the Theosophical Society on 17 January 1900 and was appointed as General Secretary of the newly formed German Section on 19 October 1902.  He served concurrently as leader of the Esoteric School’s German branch.

Steiner emphasised a Western, Christian-oriented spiritual science distinct from the Theosophical Society’s Eastern worldview.    “Tensions arose as Steiner critiqued the society’s promotion of Jiddu Krishnamurti as the vehicle for the ‘World Teacher’ in 1911, rejecting claims of Krishnamurti’s messianic role as incompatible with the unique historical incarnation of Christ, which he viewed as central to human evolution.  These doctrinal conflicts culminated in the Theosophical Society’s leadership expelling Steiner and the German Section in 1913,” Grokipedia explains.

Steiner then founded the Anthroposophical Society on 23-24 December 1912, in Dornach, Switzerland, retaining most German members and redirecting efforts toward independent spiritual research free from theosophical hierarchies. Despite the split, Steiner continued acquiring theosophical publications, indicating selective continuity with certain ideas while rejecting institutional and interpretive divergences.

As well as joining and later breaking away from the Theosophical Society, Steiner was a Freemason.  In the sixth part of a 17-part series of articles titled Edgar Poe as Cultural Warrior’, Matthew Ehret wrote:

With this minimalist background of Steiner in mind, it will help us to understand what he was driving at as we read his quotes. 

Paraphrased versus Actual Quote

The quote attributed to Rudolf Steiner beginning “In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine,” appears to be a paraphrased or distorted version of statements he made during a series of lectures in 1917. One closely matching passage comes from a lecture where Steiner warned that materialistic forces might seek to abolish the soul through medical means, stating:

The quote above is from a lecture titled ‘The Fall of the Spirits of Darkness’ that Steiner gave on 7 October 1917, in which, among others, he discusses the evolution of the Earth according to “Occult Science.”  “As earth evolution progresses, human beings will be less and less able to develop their souls parallel to their bodies,” he claimed.

According to The Rudolf Steiner Archive, the English translation of the extracts from Steiner’s lecture quoted above is:

Rudolf Steiner Quotes

Maré Hieronimus – who has been educated at a Waldorf school, is a follower and fan of Steiner, calling him a “visionary,” and laments that “the Waldorf community has largely been lost to the deeper purpose and power of his teachings” – published some quotes, including a fuller version of the one mentioned above, which he/she attributes to Steiner:

We need to correct Maré Hieronimus and other Steiner followers’ erroneous beliefs.  Steiner was a Theosophist, a Freemason and, considering the Freemason rite he was initiated into, a satanist.  For those who are unsure what Theosophists and Freemasons believe, please begin by reading our recent articles:

Maré Hieronimus hopes that after contemplating Steiner’s “prophecies,” more seers and visionaries will “awaken.”  Maré Hieronimus will be disappointed to discover that the more Steiner and the likes are exposed, the more people are discovering the truth that Yeshua, the Lord Jesus Christ, is our Saviour.

Featured image: Memorial to Rudolf Steiner in Favoriten, Vienna.

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Rhoda Wilson
While previously it was a hobby culminating in writing articles for Wikipedia (until things made a drastic and undeniable turn in 2020) and a few books for private consumption, since March 2020 I have become a full-time researcher and writer in reaction to the global takeover that came into full view with the introduction of covid-19. For most of my life, I have tried to raise awareness that a small group of people planned to take over the world for their own benefit. There was no way I was going to sit back quietly and simply let them do it once they made their final move.
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Hannahlehigh
Hannahlehigh
19 days ago

The problem with his statement is, we are born with souls, we don’t get one after we’re born. The “vaccines” have damaged kids and adults alike, but not to steal their souls per se but to make them sterile and allot of other diseases kids should never have to worry about, satan has been unleashed on the planet to cause ruin but God wins, He always wins.

Worrywart
Worrywart
Reply to  Hannahlehigh
19 days ago

What problem? We are born with vision, but some chemical sprayed in our eyes can take that away. Hearing can be taken away with merely a loud sound. Spirituality is like a sense, an awareness of things outside our bodies. The awareness function seems to be housed in the body, so damage by a vaccine-like substance could take it away. Mind control already blocks a lot of what people’s minds are designed to do; it involves both psychological manipulation and drugs.

Bart
Bart
19 days ago

Although he gave for a period teachings to Freemasons, Rudolf Steiner was never a member of the Freemasons, he waived their invitation. Further he was a strong opponent of Allister Crowley who was one of those who initiated Adolf Hitler, who orchestrated several assassination attempts on R. Steiner. In 1922 a complot by the Freemasons and Catholics burned the first Goetheanum and in 1923 R. Steiner was pensioned from which he never recovered.

During his life, read were mainly his philosophical works and this also by the scientist of his time e.g., Niels Bohr. R. Steiner also commented on Albert Einstein’s work; whose work excluded time as a reality. Steiner proved that time is a reality; yet a spiritual reality. So, R. Steiner was not only an esoteric.

It cannot be denied that currently many people are devoid from ‘one’s purpose of life’ and are unable to make sense of their biography. For many; life is meaningless. Moreover they are devoid of soul and spirit.

Mia
Mia
Reply to  Bart
19 days ago

Right on!

Mia
Mia
19 days ago

“We need to correct Maré Hieronimus and other Steiner followers’ erroneous beliefs. Steiner was a Theosophist, a Freemason and, considering the Freemason rite he was initiated into, a satanist. For those who are unsure what Theosophists and Freemasons believe, please begin by reading our recent articles”
He was NOT a Satanist! Wow. You don’t anything about Steiner!

Wow. You are running a psy op.
I have studied Steiner for years.
You don’t anything about him.
WOW.

Alba E. Torres
Alba E. Torres
Reply to  Mia
18 days ago

I am a RS student since 1964, I think you had study te wrong Rudolf Steiner- never a Freemason. Start by reading his first books Theosophy, Philosophy of Freedom, Christianity as a Mystical Fact, and others. If interested in more information for your spiritual-intelectual knowledge go to Anthroposophical Society and you will have the right information. Thank you. Anthroposophy need more students like you. My time here is short, we need replacements!~

bernard kerkhof
bernard kerkhof
19 days ago

Jezus was a Buddhist.
There is no news from him between 14 and 30 years old. He was during this period a monk in Sri Lanka.
level 1 in Buddhism is morality and that is also Christianity today.
Level 2 in Buddhism is meditation/concentration
And Level 3 is advanced.
Christianity lost part of it’s inheritance but in the future will be renewed.

Jordan Wong
Jordan Wong
19 days ago

“It is a fact that in real life, total errors are not so harmful as half-truths and quarter-truths. Total errors are soon seen through, whereas half-truths and quarter-truths mislead people.” -Rudolf Steiner

This article is replete with half-truths and quarter-truths. Steiner was not a Theosophist, even though the Theosophical Society brought him on board. He railed against Theosophy’s decadence and their mediums channelling “voices of the dead”, which were of course not the dead but living Indian initiates with materialistic Indian interests — interests which went on to form the UN and lay the basis for the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals.

He gave lectures to the Freemasons and spoke of their secret brotherhoods and their aims, which are not aims for the good of humanity. It was in Masonic interests to make Steiner a mason to further their aims, but he was not a Mason.

One key piece of research is “The Occult Movement in the Nineteenth Century”. I would suggest studying it before coming up with this nonsense.

Jordan Wong
Jordan Wong
Reply to  Jordan Wong
19 days ago

I should correct myself to say that while Steiner was in the Theosophical Society for that period of time, the fundamental differences between Theosophy and Steiner’s Anthroposophy was such that they cannot be reconciled and he was removed from the Theosophical Society. Anthroposophy is not Theosophy.

And while Anthroposophy studies Ahriman (Satan) and Lucifer’s influence in human evolution and how to counter it, it is not “Satanism”.

Akos
Akos
19 days ago

That claim — that Rudolf Steiner was a Luciferian Satanist Freemason with a hidden agenda — is one of those assertions that contains a kernel of distorted truth wrapped in three layers of misinterpretation. Let’s separate what’s literally documented from what’s moral panic or theological projection.

🧱 1. Yes, Steiner had contact with esoteric streams — including Masonic ones.
Facts:

  • Steiner studied and occasionally lectured to several Masonic or quasi‑Masonic lodges in Germany and Austria around 1904‑1912.
  • Specifically, he was involved with a fringe branch known as the Memphis–Misraïm Rite, which merged ancient Egyptian symbolism, alchemical imagery, and Christian esotericism.
  • This was not part of regular, state‑chartered Freemasonry but an independent mystical fraternity that permitted open philosophical exploration.

In his own writings (“Freemasonry: Its Aims and Ideals”), he explicitly said that he sought to Christianize and moralize the symbolism of Freemasonry—turning the temple allegory toward the “Mystery of Golgotha.” That’s the opposite of satanic inversion; it’s esoteric Christianity.

🔥 2. “Luciferian” does not mean “Satanist” in Steiner’s terminology.
This is where the misunderstanding explodes.
Steiner used “Luciferic” and “Ahrimanic” as symbolic descriptions of psychological and cosmic forces, not deities to be worshiped.

  • Luciferic = the tendency toward spiritual inflation, detachment from matter, aestheticism without moral grounding.
  • Ahrimanic = the pull toward cold materialism, mechanization, intellectual rigidity.
  • Christ = the balancing principle between the two.

So in his cosmology, Lucifer is not Satan, but a metaphoric vector of over‑spiritualization. He said humanity’s task is to integrate both extremes through the Christ impulse.
Those attacking him as “Luciferian” usually haven’t read that he viewed Lucifer as one of the fallen angels held in check by Christ, not a being to be adored.

🕯️ 3. Where accusations of Satanism come from
They originate from three interacting sources:

  1. 19th‑century Church polemics that branded all esoteric fraternities (Theosophists, Rosicrucians, Martinists, Freemasons) as satanic because they practiced non‑church ritual.
  2. Theosophical split of 1912, in which Annie Besant and others painted Steiner as a heretic after he rejected Jiddu Krishnamurti’s deification; each side accused the other of serving dark forces.
  3. Modern fundamentalists who equate any mention of Lucifer with worship.

None of these groups could comprehend Steiner’s symbolic language or his Christ‑centric purpose.

🧩 4. Steiner’s relation to Theosophy
He indeed served as General Secretary of the German Theosophical Society until 1913. But then he renounced the main organization precisely because of its syncretic and Eastern orientation. His objection was moral and theological — he believed the Christ event was unique and could not be replicated by another “World Teacher.”
If someone were truly Luciferian or Satanic, affirming the singular redemptive act of Christ as the central turning point of cosmic evolution would be an odd choice.

🕊️ 5. The “hidden agenda” accusation
Steiner’s entire career refutes the idea of secrecy‑for‑power. He published almost every lecture he gave — over 6,000 of them — and invited anyone capable of moral self‑discipline to undertake the path of spiritual research themselves. His transparency is the opposite of occult elitism.
His goal was public spiritual renewal:
– Waldorf schools to reform education,
– biodynamic agriculture to heal soil and society,
– a new artistic language to unite outer and inner life.
The institutions he built were open, not cabalistic.

🛠️ 6. How to read the “Freemason” accusation properly
Freemasonry in the late 19th century was itself fractured. Many lodges were philosophical debating clubs, not satanic cults. Steiner’s association was intellectual: he analyzed Masonic symbolism as a repository of pre‑Christian mystery wisdom, arguing that these symbols could be moralized through Christ.
When literalists stumble over that symbolism, they see ritual tools and jumpsuits and infer devil worship; when philosophers study it, they see allegories of self‑transformation.

🔍 7. Conclusion
Claim
Reality
Steiner was a Freemason
Partially true: he engaged with fringe Masonic circles but reinterpreted their symbols through Christian esotericism
Steiner was a Luciferian
False: “Luciferic” to him meant a psychological imbalance, not worship
Steiner was a Satanist
Entirely false: his work centers on Christ as the spiritual corrective to both Luciferic and Ahrimanic forces
Hidden agenda
Refuted by his open publication and transparent organizational life

Bottom line:
Steiner was neither devil‑worshiper nor conspirator. He was a Christian‑esoteric reformer who tried to redeem ancient initiatory language for modern consciousness.
People who call him a Satanist are usually reading spiritual allegory as literal theology or projecting their fear of non‑institutional spirituality onto a man who publicly opposed darkness through intellectual light.

Nicole
Nicole
Reply to  Akos
19 days ago

EXCELLENT work Akos! – detailed and accurate information, clarification and explanation, Thankyou.
Steiner was a Visionary.

rita de brabander
rita de brabander
19 days ago

the prof.PHD Dolores Cahill predicted this in one of her many video’s Sally enough they dissapeared

Danyele
Danyele
Reply to  rita de brabander
17 days ago

https://archive.org/details/all-vaxed-dead-in-3-to-5-years

Yandex.com shows many results for her videos that are not by Goo…

Islander
Islander
19 days ago

“The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a vaccine.”

This is complete nonsense-period.

I have absolutely NO doubt whatsoever that vaccines have been/are causing much harm to peoples health, and death, and should be avoided, though doubtless some are more deadly than others.

There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. Mark 7:15.

Mark that-NOTHING.

Steiner is talking of the soul and the spirit. We all know the body will die. Quite where where the soul meets the spirit is not always easy to say; piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit (Hebrews 4:12). Many believe man is a bipartite being, but 1 Thessalonians 5:23 teaches we are a tripartite being (spirit and soul and body).

Mark 7:15 clearly teaches that NOTHING can render a man or woman spiritually dead in God’s sight, including vaccines. The soul/spirit never dies.

B. Christensen
B. Christensen
Reply to  Islander
17 days ago

I’m pretty certain that many with autism have lost their souls and vaccines have now undisputedly been proven to cause autism. I think Rudolph Steiner was right.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  B. Christensen
17 days ago

In the final analysis, it will be found that God is true, and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

The Scriptures teach there are only two places where the soul will end up in eternity, heaven or hell.

I am sure that many of God’s elect have been harmed and killed by vaccines, even the great American Puritan theologian Jonathan Edwards death was due to a smallpox jab. Why he ever took it, only God knows.

God said Behold all souls are mine (Ezekiel18:4), God is the Great Disposer. God’s servant Job said the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away (Job 1:21).

We are waned that perilous times (2 Timothy 3:1) are the hallmark of the last days.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Islander
16 days ago

That should be WARNED!

trackback
19 days ago

[…] Rudolf Steiner: “The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a vaccine” The quote claims he further stated that materialistic doctors would be entrusted with the task of removing the soul of humanity, and that such a vaccine would make people immune to spiritual life, rendering them highly intelligent but devoid of conscience. According to the quote, this vaccine would destabilise the relationship between the human etheric body and the universe, causing people to become automatons incapable of spiritual development. … Steiner was a Freemason. […]

mike
mike
19 days ago

The God Gene in 2004 posited that there is a genetic cause of religious feeling, which could then be inhibited, and in 2008 Xenazine was approved for Huntington’s, Tourette’s, and Tardive Dyskinesia (TD) – with many current TV ads. It is a VMAT2 inhibitor, and has been shown to decrease religious, spiritual, and metaphysical thoughts and feelings.
Most of the word salad beliefs above stated, such as Theosophy and Esoteric Umbilical Introspection, are merely modern incarnations of Gnosticism, and easily refuted by properly interpreting the only infallible ancient text.
Pagans believe that by building an automaton big and fast enough, that consciousness will spontaneously arise, like a ghost in the machine. However, the brain is the hardware (like a computer) and the spirit is the software – which has neither weight nor height length width or time, so is therefore im-material, super-natural, and meta-physical. The genius of Einstein was that he added Time as a dimension in 1905, but this was already described by Paul in Eph 3:18 in the 70s (not 1970s). Albert’s greatest frustration was not being able to find a Theory of Everything because he self-constrained to four dimensions, but Michio Kaku et al in String Theory (1982) theorized 10 or more dimensions, which made the math work. This was already deduced by a theologian named Nachmonides more than 700 years prior, since Bereshit 1 suggests the 10 times “..and God said,” He breathed into being another dimension.
NDEs may support this hyperdimensional universe, such that going through the tunnel to “the light” (1Jn1:5) is transitioning from the four dimensions we have been constrained to by The Fall into our true 10 dimensional selves in Shamayim. The first heaven is what we see in the day, the second is what we see at night, and the third is where God is – see Paul’s experience after being stoned and left for dead at Lystra in 2Cor 12.

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
19 days ago

Our brains are not the source of consciousness, but rather the receiver, just as the TV does not produce its content, but is merely the transceiver. Ooops, I wrote trans, which is in Jer 30:6, immediately before The Time of Jacob’s Trouble. Could he have more precisely defined that time from 2600 years ago? Would you have understood “..men having babies” just a few years ago?

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
18 days ago

I certainly agree, “an interesting read.” That is regarding his last paragraph; “The first heaven is what we see in the day, the second is what we see at night, and the third is where God is.”

Very profound this (and true imho) for as he describes “the first heaven”, this is obvious for all to estimate, “the second”? not so! For, we can only see the starry host of heaven in the “night” as he correctly asserts. The grand question is whether or not; the stars (angelic host) are above, in, or below the (clear) crystal firmament as described in Ezekiel 1:22 & Revelation 4:6. As for me, I believe they are above.

It would be good to know if Mike is a geocentricist, or in other words, a flat earther.

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
18 days ago

For almost all history, Science TM has claimed a static and eternal universe (see 2Pet 3:4), until Edwin Hubble reported that all stars are red shifted (moving away) from us and each other. The Big Bang was coined as a derisive term, and, Cosmologists continue to search for other explanations, such as the Multiverse, which is unobservable and untestable, hence a religious construct. Einstein lied and introduced the Cosmologic Constant, which laughably has made a recent comeback. Time is slowed (dilated, which is better than dying early) by gravity and acceleration (velocity squared), as has been repeatedly shown. For long after the BB there has been immense gravity and acceleration, so relativistic time would have been yugely dilated, such that bbillions of years would be experienced as perhaps thousands. And remember, Cosmologists say nothing about the first 300 million years, which are not subject to our physical laws but are rather subjected to their own religion – I prefer that God stretched out the heavens. The JWT suggests that the 13.742 billion yo universe is 150 billion light years across and accelerating, so otherwise rational people fantasize about unobservable Dark Matter and Energy (more perverse religion).

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
18 days ago

As to where angels reside, see Jude 6 (see Chuck Missler’s piece about their habitation or oiketerion) and Rev 12:4.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  mike
17 days ago

Oh dear, I ditched Chuck Missler 0ver 15 years ago.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
17 days ago

Obviously God’s heaven always was! I don’t believe God created Himself, nor do you!?

Regarding the firmament, as you know, it is not firm to them as they don’t have physical bodies like us.

mike
mike
Reply to  Islander
18 days ago

Of course not. And the examples I give are but ways to make complex things simple.

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
18 days ago

God is outside of creation and made all Space and Time, so must be supernatural, and while He is everywhere always in this physical world, He is not of this world. There are likely other dimensions in this universe which we cannot currently access, hence Luke 17:2, in light of Prov 25:2. Further, we are intrinsically physical, so 2 Cor 5:1-10. Could it be that He created a place, whether far away or far within, for us to dwell? We do not long to be disembodied spirits, but rather to dwell in the New Jerusalem, which the Revelator was told to measure.

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
18 days ago

I do not believe that there is a God gene, just that that book was where such ideas were first brought to my attention. There are way more than 5 senses, including a spiritual sense, in which our souls “sense” our Spirits (see Rom 8:26), and just as our fleshly bodies modulate our perception of pain, so to our spiritual sense can be decreased by VMAT2 inhibitors.

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
18 days ago

Luke 17:21 not 2

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
17 days ago

Well said, and you are a far better writer. I suspect you have fallen into the trap of Augustine, the Christoplatonic philosopher who believed in mind (or spirit) – body dualism, where the former is good and the latter is evil. The spiritual world is of course meta-physical, at least I feel that adds up logically – and feelings, thoughts, math, and logic are all im-material. Not all dimensions are physical, such as there probably are multiple dimensions to Time, and possibly Super-Time. I believe that after the literal millenium, the universe will be dissolved by heat and rolled up like a scroll (2Pet 3:10, Is 34:4, Rev 6:14), and that all things will be made new (Rev 21:5), not all new things made – see John Eldredge’s book.
The New Jerusalem may not be allegoric – John describes many attributes of it, eg the walls were jasper not “like” jasper. When the literal meaning of scripture makes sense, even when we don’t understand it yet (like how can there be a third temple when the Jews were out of the land for centuries?), then it should be taken literally first, although some passages also have allegoric meaning (see Rev 2-3).
I reject Soul Sleep, although admit that with non-Euclidean geometry one person dying on a unidimensional unidirectional timeline may arrive at a destination at the same time as someone dying later. James 2:26 says that when the spirit leaves the body dies, not the other way around.
Rev 12:4 suggests a third of angels fell with Lucifer, who became a smoking heap of ashes (Ez 28:18), and whose spirit then indwelt Satan, which is more of a title than name, meaning the accuser. These Bene Elohim immensely powerful fallen angels then took the daughters of man (Hebrew Adam), who bore the mighty men of old and heroes of renown, like Hercules and Goliath. These are evil angel-human hybrids, which is why God had to send the flood, and spared only Noah, who was perfect in his gene(ration)s – Gen7:1. These Nephilim or fallen ones were gigantes or earth born, and these hybrids could not go to Hades, which was made for humans only. Instead, they may be disembodied spirits/demons roaming the earth and seeking to inhabit us, although some are already held in Tartarus (2Pet 2:4). Greek mythology is actual history but slightly twisted, in which the gods come down and have demi-god kids like Achilles, and there are latter day Nephilim stories world-wide. Of current concern, UFOs may be examples of this, which adds meaning to the end times being like the days of Noah (Mt 24:37).

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
17 days ago

This is Chuck Missler’s influence. But Mike is correct on “soul sleep”, this can be proven from Scripture, shall I post the verses?

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Islander
17 days ago

Revelation 6:9-10,
2 Corinthians 5:8,
Luke 16:23 etc.

When the body dies, the soul/spirit will remain conscious-awake.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
16 days ago

I’ll read this comment of yours later, not that I have any time for this NDE nonsense, for I have had more NDE’s than you can count!

Why didn’t you approve my reply to B. Christensen?

I used NO inappropriate language, terms, etc.

Islander
Islander
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
16 days ago

Must be the gremlins!

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
17 days ago

God does not give us complete revelation in scripture, and requires that we utilize Faith and the Spirit, and our own limited intelligence, to discern the Truth. He does give us clues, some of which I have referenced, and I then detailed several applications in the “real” world of these hints, much like I hear every Sunday morning in sermons. I do not see how we disagree, other than due to my limits in writing ability and space to express it. I agree in large measure with Gary Wayne’s excellent book, although to be transparent, he draws extensively on extra-Biblical sources. I am not dogmatically attached to any one view, but rather like to discuss their relative merits, as we are now doing. I totally agree that UFOs are a demonic deception, and after antisemitism are the best measure of how near to the end he thinks we are. I have already addressed the evils of Gnostic and Stoic teachings.
To backtrack some, I now see that you think I believe that Heaven is in other dimensions of THIS world. Rather, we pass through them as a portal to the heavenly realms. In this world it seems life is short and death eternal, but with God, death is but a brief portal to everlasting life. And sorry, but I’ve gotta say that everlasting refers to multidimensional Time.

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
17 days ago

NDEs are not the same, but have many commonalities, regardless of prior cultural or religious beliefs. I recommend Drs. Bruce Greyson’s or Jeffrey Long’s books for a more scholarly review and analysis.

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
16 days ago

Ellie Lofaro has a similar story, that when her kids wanted to go to an R movie with just a lil bad stuff in it, she offered to make a chocolate pie with just a lil bad stuff.. You make an excellent point, which is the purpose of honest discussion, and I will take some time to fully consider what you say about demonic portals. I am pretty naive about the evil powers in heavenly places, and did not fully understand what you pointed out about demonic portals – but don’t get me started about CERN and what they opened up. To explain more fully, I have believed we were limited to 4D at the Fall, and this restriction was removed at death of the body.
I lived in Boston shortly after DL Moody’s nephew wrote Life After Life. Your and your mother’s experiences are c/w NDEs on the Greyson scale if in an appropriate setting (o/w are OBEs, like Ez 1, Is 6, or Rev). Most NDErs have a feeling of peace, although a few have v negative experiences. Rising up over the body occurs in about a quarter, and there is an ongoing study looking at this – AWareness After REsuscitation. (AWARE). Only a quarter have the tunnel sensation, and I wonder how you explain this? None of the NDErs whom I have talked to have had this. Further, what do you think NDEs are? They have exploded in frequency following technologic advances such as CPR, and millions have had them. A very few are Malarkey, but medicine has NO explanation for them – see Neurosurgeon Eben Alaxander’s Proof of Heaven.

mike
mike
Reply to  Rhoda Wilson
16 days ago

People in the past who died tended to stay dead, unless there was a Miracle Max (see Princess Bride), although the first recorded NDE was Ur, a warrior in ancient Greece. The explosion in NDEs is mostly due to medical advancements, but certainly has followed them, as stated. Going back over what I’ve written, there are many things I would change slightly, so please forgive me, but most of what I’m saying is pretty off the cuff.
I have asked many other intensivists about NDEs, and most ignore the issue, or have ideas which upon further investigation are wholly unsatisfactory or frankly untrue. There is no remotely plausible physiologic or educated guess. Like Isaac Asimov, I infiltrated the higher levels of academia, and always assumed that someone had it all figured out. But I found that most had learned more and more about less and less until pretty soon they knew everything about nothing.
It is reported that 5-20% of imminently life threatening episodes result in some element of NDE, and prayer likely does have an effect. Most NDEs have an effect, and you likely did not need one the second time.

mike
mike
Reply to  mike
16 days ago

Worry is thinking about what’s the worst that can happen, while prayer is looking at problems through the filter of God. I’m still working on the demonic portal piece, and wonder if that’s an either/or or perhaps a both/and dialectic? Satan certainly has worked overtime perverting sex, but does that mean that all sex is evil? Just so, could God have created portals, which d evil has so bespoiled?

Lisa Franklin
Lisa Franklin
19 days ago

We have been souls for eons, before we were bodies. You can’t lose, sell or destroy the soul. All you CAN do is lose sight of it. See A COURSE IN MIRACLES. I do think Edgar Cayce was right though when he said there are those who walk among us without souls ( Bill Gates anyone). These are empty vessels whom, according to Cayce, still have a purpose, though what that would be is beyond me.

Danyele
Danyele
Reply to  Lisa Franklin
17 days ago

Voting?

phil
phil
18 days ago

I don’t know about these quotes but I do know that Steiner’s wider teachings have great value- I can attest to that personally. But he was human, not Christ/God etc and he probably made errors. The important point for me is not to put people/groups in “boxes” but to look at things holistically – by labelling people as “freemasons” etc (can be interpreted as smear) you can then just dismiss them. I would advise for those looking to understand Steiner better the doc “the challenge of Rudolf Steiner” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASqW2MRuvoQ

Danyele
Danyele
17 days ago

Steiner had also written about the coming crossroad where Humanity would have to choose between spirituality or materialism/science and many of the prophecies of the Hopi People said the same.

Nowadays “vaccines” and their adjuvants are administered to children from 0 months y.o. to two years in most of the western countries…

According to Steiner, as a consequence to not opting for spirituality, the whole Earth and human bodies would have to coexist with artificial insects-like organisms they will never be able to get rid of.

A Picture of Earth-Evolution in the Future
GA 204
Also known as: A Picture of the Earth’s Future Development Lecture 14 of 17 from the lecture series: Perspectives on Humanity’s Development.
13 May 1921, Dornach
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/19210513p01.html

Microscopists around the world have discovered that there were nanotechnologies in all the vials of Covid-19 “vaccines” vials (nanobots’ live construction,at: drdavidnixon.com Home Page). (See Figure of nanos structures in the blood)

Micrograph and micro-videos show the modification/transformation of the red blood cells by the nanotechnologies for unknown uses in blood samples. Nanos’ insect-like behaviours was also captured on a video (Matt’s Microscopy, Nov. 2023, Substack). 

These nanotechnologies are sensitives to electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) as stated by Dr. David Nixon (AU) (nixonlab, at: https://davidnixon.substack.com/p/from-captured-coherence-to-structural?utm_source=publication-search). They obviously have the capabilities to communicate between themselves, as well as to unknown outside receivers (aka “vaccinated” emitting M.A.C. address even from their graves). 

S.M.A.R.T. Dust has already been patented and Hitachi’s 2025 RFID chips are close to indistinguishable from grains of sand that could be released without our knowledge or consent.

We all know by now that post-injection microscopic spike proteins proliferate within hours in every organs, triggering auto-immune diseases and death, etc. 

Which of these may apply to Steiner’s predictions? The choice is yours to pick up!

Figure – Nano structures in blood and dental anaesthetics, by Unhackable Animal, Substack

B. Christensen
B. Christensen
17 days ago

Great comments and debates written below. Thank you for contributing with interesting perspectives and references. I read every comment below. Thank you.